Will The Temple Be Rebuilt?

[pastorables]

This is a very interesting site.

http://www.templeinstitute.org/

The Temple Institute is dedicated to all aspects of the Divine commandment for Israel to build a house for G-d's presence, the Holy Temple, on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem. The range of the Institute's involvement with this concept includes education, research, activism, and actual preparation. Our goal is firstly, to restore Temple consciousness and reactive these "forgotten" commandments. We hope that by doing our part, we can participate in the process that will lead to the Holy Temple becoming a reality once more.

[Messianic Believer]

According to Scripture, especially Ezekiel - Yes - the Temple will be rebuilt! May it be soon in our day!

[kurt73]

Something I have wondered about but have yet studied it out but could the Temple that Ezekiel talks about be us? God dwelt in the temple until the death of Christ and now we are the temple.

[RamboPreacher]

i have wondered about that, as well as the whole sacrificial contexts and needs for a "new" temple, and it's subsequent use "in production".

[Gerald Creasy]

The Jewish Temple may be rebuilt, but it will never be honored by God.

Jesus is our propitiation (Romans 3:25, 1 John 2:2, 1 John 4:10)***

There is no more sacrifice for sin.

Our bodies are also the new temple (1 Cr 6:19)

Jesus is also our high Priest (Hebrews 3:1)

The Sacrificial system is an abomination. (Isaiah 66:3 )
How can a place be holy if the sacrifices are abominations?
JUst cause The Master Race rebuilds their Final Solution and call it Holy means nothing, it must be established by the regulations of God REGULATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE AWAY WITH.


If Jesus is both the High Priest, Final Sacrifice, and final propitiation, and our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit, proponents of a New temple having an important factor in Bible prophecy must show FROM SCRIPTURE how those facts are negaated or done away with.

An assumption read into 1 Thessalonians is again, Pastor Ables, as flimsy as gossamer.

These other facts must be held in account.





****Isnt it amazing that someone will research scripturally exactly what is meant by propitiation yet at the same time embrace a belief that NEGATES the very work of Christ? It isnt "whosoever believeith in him" it's "whosoever believeth in him until the Jews make a new temple then the blood of a filthy bull is as good as that of the blessed savior".
Idiocy.

[JohnDB]

Then Herod went from Judea to Caesarea j and stayed there a while.
Ac 12:20 He had been quarreling with the people of Tyre and Sidon; they now joined together and sought an audience with him. Having secured the support of Blastus, a trusted personal servant of the king, they asked for peace, because they depended on the king’s country for their food supply. l
Ac 12:21 On the appointed day Herod, wearing his royal robes, sat on his throne and delivered a public address to the people.
Ac 12:22 They shouted, “This is the voice of a god, not of a man.”
Ac 12:23 Immediately, because Herod did not give praise to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died.



Cesarea was used as the Judean capitol when there was no procurator by Rome assigned. This here could be a fulfillment of the scriptures of which you speak.

It is difficult to tell who Paul is speaking of here because of the inexact dates of writing of any of this...
Brazen self-engrandizement was common amongst the leaders of the Roman Empire. Even Alexander the Great had a bout of this himself...of course he died soon thereafter by drinking and partying too much. For whatever reason all of them have this quality...which is soundly condemned and considered to be a curse as the result of sin. (much like homosexuality)
Kim Jong Ill thinks of himself as a God...as well as the leaders of many countries do...but of course we know better.

[bibleguy]

Something I have wondered about but have yet studied it out but could the Temple that Ezekiel talks about be us? God dwelt in the temple until the death of Christ and now we are the temple.

The Jewish Temple may be rebuilt, but it will never be honored by God.

The literal temple was built, destroyed and rebuilt. All of that was prophecy of the Church, the spiritual temple, built according to the pattern. It was established in the early church, being built according to the pattern which was shown to Moses on the Mount (Ex. 25:40), and which David had given to Solomon (1 Chron. 28:11), and which was shown to John in his vision (Rev. 4).

It was built, and destroyed after that greivous wolves had entered in and turned the grace of God into lasciviousness. But, according to the prophecies, it will be restored (as was the natural temple), but this time among the Gentiles (even as the second temple was built by the decree of gentile kings).

“Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood” (Acts 15:14-20).

While the temple was still standing, God honored it, even though he had rejected the priests and had placed his disciples over the stewardship of the Word of God. Still they had to go to the temple. After its destruction in 70 A.D. that all changed.

No, try as they might, I don't think that there will be a restored temple in Jerusalem. As Gerald said, though, even IF it were to happen, it would not be accepted. It is the resoration of the spiritual house, built according to the pattern, that we should all be anxiously awaiting today.

[beckrl]

Ezekiel Temple hasn't been build in history and only one of two temples that has being build that comes close to his dimensions is Solomon's temple. Which still is smaller in height. Therefore is must be in the future, as for it being a type for christainity, us being living stones. It would seem the that by Ezekiel seeing this temple and given the dimensions it would be a real temple not a spiritual temple.


The Temple Institute, I think has knowledge of Ezekiel's temple and his dimensions at hand for the time to rebuild the temple, They would use Ezekiel's vision.

"sacrificial contexts"
If the Jew fall to except Jesus as being the Messiah and do rebuild the Temple they would indeed give sacrificies to God in keeping the Jewish law. Would God except these sacrificies? We can look back and see where God didn't except some of thier sacrificies. God in so many word told them that they might as well be having a barbeque.

Those christian's (jew or gentile) as that time then the time of abomination is set up in the temple to flee, not all with understand what has just happen, but only those that have an ear to hear.

[Gerald Creasy]

Ezekiel Temple hasn't been build in history and only one of two temples that has being build that comes close to his dimensions is Solomon's temple. Which still is smaller in height. Therefore is must be in the future, as for it being a type for christainity, us being living stones. It would seem the that by Ezekiel seeing this temple and given the dimensions it would be a real temple not a spiritual temple.


The Temple Institute, I think has knowledge of Ezekiel's temple and his dimensions at hand for the time to rebuild the temple, They would use Ezekiel's vision.

"sacrificial contexts"
If the Jew fall to except Jesus as being the Messiah and do rebuild the Temple they would indeed give sacrificies to God in keeping the Jewish law. Would God except these sacrificies? We can look back and see where God didn't except some of thier sacrificies. God in so many word told them that they might as well be having a barbeque.

God will NOT "except" any sacrifice, nor will he ACCEPT them.

You can not hold a view of scripture which denigrates the work of Christ.


Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].


Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

You have just espoused a view which contradicts that, saying that Jesus blood is NOT the final sacrifice Jews can sacrifice bulls and goats.
Jews can get to The Father by Bulls and goat.

These are LIES. FAlse Doctrine and the Doctrine of Devils (Made more and more Powerful because we Look to the Holy Ghosts power to stregthen our belief in the Devils Power as per Pastor Ables)

Jesus sacrifice is the ONLY sacrifice.

ANY THING ELSE IS AN ABOMINATION.

[Brian]

The Jewish Temple may be rebuilt, but it will never be honored by God.


****Isnt it amazing that someone will research scripturally exactly what is meant by propitiation yet at the same time embrace a belief that NEGATES the very work of Christ? It isnt "whosoever believeith in him" it's "whosoever believeth in him until the Jews make a new temple then the blood of a filthy bull is as good as that of the blessed savior".
Idiocy.

That isn't really the point is it Gerald? I haven't heard anyone say that God would honor what the Jewish people do if in fact they rebuild the temple. I have always heard it used as sort of a time indicator as to the return of Christ. God will not honor the emergence of the anti-christ, but his coming indicates the time of dispensation we may be in. At least that is what I have always heard.

I seen a show on the discovery channel (that or the learning channel) that talked about the Dome of the Rock and this guy was saying he would aid in the destruction of it and gladly pack it away and mail it back to wherever it came from. LOL I thought that was hilarious!

[Pastorbps]

Gerald:
It is my understanding (I may be wrong) that your position states the following scriptures were fulfilled in ancient times. Is this correct? If so, how were they fulfilled? I'm seriously trying to understand.

Dan 12:11
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Matt 24:15-16
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

2 Thess 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God .

[beckrl]

Ezekiel Temple hasn't been build in history and only one of two temples that has being build that comes close to his dimensions is Solomon's temple. Which still is smaller in height. Therefore is must be in the future, as for it being a type for christainity, us being living stones. It would seem the that by Ezekiel seeing this temple and given the dimensions it would be a real temple not a spiritual temple.


The Temple Institute, I think has knowledge of Ezekiel's temple and his dimensions at hand for the time to rebuild the temple, They would use Ezekiel's vision.

"sacrificial contexts"
If the Jew fall to except Jesus as being the Messiah and do rebuild the Temple they would indeed give sacrificies to God in keeping the Jewish law. Would God except these sacrificies? We can look back and see where God didn't except some of thier sacrificies. God in so many word told them that they might as well be having a barbeque.

God will NOT "except" any sacrifice, nor will he ACCEPT them.

You can not hold a view of scripture which denigrates the work of Christ.


Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].


Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

You have just espoused a view which contradicts that, saying that Jesus blood is NOT the final sacrifice Jews can sacrifice bulls and goats.
Jews can get to The Father by Bulls and goat.

These are LIES. FAlse Doctrine and the Doctrine of Devils (Made more and more Powerful because we Look to the Holy Ghosts power to stregthen our belief in the Devils Power as per Pastor Ables)

Jesus sacrifice is the ONLY sacrifice.

ANY THING ELSE IS AN ABOMINATION.

Gerald

You and I do agree on this; For I have said. Would God except these sacrificies? We can look back and see where God didn't except some of thier sacrificies.

That said, it doen't mean that the Jewish nation will not return to thier Jewish laws of offering sacrificies.

[Gerald Creasy]

Gerald:
It is my understanding (I may be wrong) that your position states the following scriptures were fulfilled in ancient times. Is this correct? If so, how were they fulfilled? I'm seriously trying to understand.

Dan 12:11
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Matt 24:15-16
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

When Jesus began his ministry what did John Cry out? "Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world."
We know that during his life Jesus forgave sins.
We know his sacrifice establishes an EXCLUSIVE method by which we approach the father.
NO OTHER GOD ACCEPTS.

From the time of the beginning of his ministry to that of his death is considered to be 3 and a half years which would account for the time reference.

There were MULTIPLE fulfilments of an abomination including to the continuing sacrifice (see Isaiah 66 which Stephen quotes before he was murdered). See also Deut 17:1 where an improper sacrifice is an abomination.

There is also an assumption that the "Holy place" is ONLY the holy of Holies. All of Jerusalem was considered a Holy city and surely a city is a place. Even Daniel 9:26 includes the city and sanctuary in it's prophecy.

If you look at Lukes parallel of Matt 24:15-16 you see that he says "when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies then know that the desolation thereof is nigh."

How can the army of a man worshiped as God (Ceasar) enter and destroy a city, totally wipe out the Temple, cause over 1 Million deaths (according to Josephus) and his men sacrifice to their standards after the victory -AND THE TEMPLE NOT BE ABOMINATED?

How exactly does that happen?

2 Thess 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God .

I believe it is assumption to tie these passage to the first set. It could be referring to many things other than the Abomination spoken of by Daniel and Jesus.

[Gerald Creasy]

Gerald

You and I do agree on this; For I have said. Would God except these sacrificies? We can look back and see where God didn't except some of thier sacrificies.

That said, it doen't mean that the Jewish nation will not return to thier Jewish laws of offering sacrificies.

The problem is in thinking that 1) The sacrifices are of any merit 2) That they are holy 3) That God Honours them 4) That a sacrificial system God does not honour is holy and CAN BE abominated.

If God says improper sacrifices are an abomination as in Isaiah 66 and Deut 17 THE THEY ARE ABOMINATIONS.

Jesus in not a liar: Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Anything else wont cut it.

[beckrl]

How can the army of a man worshiped as God (Ceasar) enter and destroy a city, totally wipe out the Temple, cause over 1 Million deaths (according to Josephus) and his men sacrifice to their standards after the victory -AND THE TEMPLE NOT BE ABOMINATED?

Just wonder how you view that from the history of Josephus.
Wars of the Jews
"In which on the seventeenth day of Panemus the sacrifice called " the Daily Sacrifice" had failed."

I wonder what is the abomination that is set up three and half years later??? When you said it's because his men and thier standards. What would be the reason for anyone to flee at that time???

Dan 12:11
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Matt 24:15-16
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains