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awesome PG - thank you for this information!!Pastor Gary wrote:For those interested in the MECHANICS of the COGOP Assembly Proxy System: I had an interesting conversation with John Payne this week about the nuts and bolts of the system, and he said it was okay to mention it here.
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Paully_44 wrote:any idea on the cost of this new process (scanners, outside firm, etc...?)
nobody said there would be no voices. all members that are there are still allowed for discussion. PG's comments are only for the actual expressions that are set. Individual expressions are at their local church-level when they have meetings to discuss the issues/documents at hand.Faith rider wrote:...
Why bother going to any business session if you have no voice? Or why continue to send support to IO?
If I understand you correctly it's because there is still "voice" at the floor and there may be brought up something that may have been missed at the local church discussions. or perhaps the wording of particular recommendations get changed as part of that voicing, that changes the understood meaning.PastorP wrote:RamboPreacher wrote:...
the proxy-expresser, will represent those local churches. That proxy-person was to have been selected as one that represents the "heart" of the church and they can change their expression as needed, as the voices/discussion is made on the floor.
Why have discussion on the floor if the local churches have already spoken their desire through the proxy "or" why have the local meetings if the proxies are not locked into the vote of the local church that they represent. Is a problem being created with this system, or am I just not understanding the process?
RamboPreacher wrote:If I understand you correctly it's because there is still "voice" at the floor and there may be brought up something that may have been missed at the local church discussions. or perhaps the wording of particular recommendations get changed as part of that voicing, that changes the understood meaning.PastorP wrote:RamboPreacher wrote:...
the proxy-expresser, will represent those local churches. That proxy-person was to have been selected as one that represents the "heart" of the church and they can change their expression as needed, as the voices/discussion is made on the floor.
Why have discussion on the floor if the local churches have already spoken their desire through the proxy "or" why have the local meetings if the proxies are not locked into the vote of the local church that they represent. Is a problem being created with this system, or am I just not understanding the process?
I recall when this happened previously. someone or some group didn't like a particular recommendation because of the way something was written in the recommendation. when it was re-written, they were okay with it (even though, in my opinion at the time, it didn't change the meaning at all).
There are some points in the current documents that we will discuss at our local church, so that our proxy-rep wilsl know what our expression will be; and if the individual voices wand certain wording to change, we will have discussed the issues locally enough that the proxy-rep will know what to do, and that we trust God will lead them as necessary (part of the official decision, and business meeting, in choosing them in the first place).
you mean change their representative expression, right? (the "voice" is what members have at the mics to present there pro/con's for given items in discussion)dawgs10 wrote:...
what it means is that the church is trying to leave room for the Holy Spirit to move and we must be willing to allow that even in a proxy system. that is why the proxy-rep my change the voice. and on a side note not directed to the quote it is no more a vote than those that would take the floor year after year in the past as far as my opinion goes.
RamboPreacher wrote:you mean change their representative expression, right? (the "voice" is what members have at the mics to present there pro/con's for given items in discussion)dawgs10 wrote:...
what it means is that the church is trying to leave room for the Holy Spirit to move and we must be willing to allow that even in a proxy system. that is why the proxy-rep my change the voice. and on a side note not directed to the quote it is no more a vote than those that would take the floor year after year in the past as far as my opinion goes.
shaunmckinley wrote:FYI—Proxy registrations begin on Monday, but will also be available on Tuesday and Wednesday morning.
scooter wrote: I think this is a great way to admit and begin to fix a broken way of doing church business. I'm sure there will be problems but at least we can stop looking like a bunch of hicks at open mic night at the local bowling alley karaoke bar for the most part depending on who some select as their proxy.![]()
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