Obama's 100 days

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Has Obama been successful in his first 100 days?

Yes
5
23%
No
15
68%
Yes on Economy, no on Foreign Policy
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No votes
Yes on Foreign Policy, no on Economy
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No votes
I don't watch political shows
1
5%
Other - see below
1
5%
 
Total votes: 22

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Postby MacUser » April 24th, 2009, 8:17 am

Tim Elston wrote:the value of judging people for more than their worst beliefs and to give people due credit for the commendable aspects of their character.


I understand this concept ( and have to vote this way sometimes ).. but here it doesn't apply as the conflict is with an unshakable principle.

Hitler created a great Autobahn and roadway system. He commissioned via Ferdinand Porsche the creation of one of my most beloved automobiles in history. The man was able to do some great things... but at the same time.. set in motion a horror that still touches and haunts us in today's politics.

So regardless that final one outweighed and overwhelms everything else! I would gladly change history and do without a great hobby car.. if all those people could have a chance at life. If he could have been stopped then.

I don't want this to be overshadowed by my mention of Hitler.. because I am not saying that he and our President Obama are equals in any sort.. just that core issues matter regardless of the rest of the good they do. That is my purpose.

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Postby Dr. Ron » April 24th, 2009, 10:18 am

Tim, I know you are not likely to respond to anything I write anymore, but just as a matter of curiousity, I would like to know what qualities your mom and dad see as a plus for Obama.

I just have not seen one redeeming quality in the man yet.....I am sorry....and it has nothing to do with politics. I promise you. He is in over his head on every level and you know it....just won't admit it.....
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Postby Tim Elston » April 24th, 2009, 10:08 pm

Full Quiver wrote:It's real convenient to say I can't support a candidate based on a position and then support the same person once they're in office even after he uses YOUR tax dollars to fund FORCED, not CHOICE, abortion in countries like China.


You're Danny, right? I remember a while back you made an impassioned comment to the effect that all the Palestinians who don't support Israel should be shot. That was a murderous, genocidal, infanticidal comment, if there ever was one. But I just accepted you as a friend on Facebook, didn't I? Why would I accept friendship with and support a man who expresses murderous bigotry that enrages me? Because I can see that you are not completely defined by your hot blooded desire to kill Palestinian men, women, and children who do not support your political beliefs, that's why. I have no doubt that you have a decent side and admirable qualities, despite your hatreds and moral confusions.

You are like Obama to me. You both harbor murder in your hearts, but murder is not the primary thing that defines you. I am not so much as for Obama as I am against the bigotry against him, and I am not so much for you as I am against bigotry against you. But I am indeed for the good that both of you do, to the extent that each of you does it. If I couldn't support the good that people who do evil do, I couldn't support good at all. And I darn sure couldn't wish you well in anything or appreciate any good that you do, genocidal murderer that you are in your heart.
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Postby Brian » April 25th, 2009, 12:58 am

Are you not aware Tim that everyone, without prejudice, that is in opposition with the um....politics of God will be shot down ,mowed over, utterly destroyed, killed, sliced and diced all because they simply held to a different set of ideals and morals than the ones DEMANDED by our Lord and Saviour God? Or maybe He is just a genocidal murderer in His heart? :shock:

More and more I am coming to realise that the seemingly benine things in our lives that we choose eveyday without even a fleeding thought has dire and catastraphic concequences! may God open the eyes of my heart and reveal the utter hopelessness of my human plite and show me how there is only hope found in HIM!!
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Postby Tim Elston » April 25th, 2009, 5:50 am

Brian wrote:Are you not aware Tim that everyone, without prejudice, that is in opposition with the um....politics of God will be shot down ,mowed over, utterly destroyed, killed, sliced and diced all because they simply held to a different set of ideals and morals than the ones DEMANDED by our Lord and Saviour God? Or maybe He is just a genocidal murderer in His heart? :shock:


Brian, all who hold to genocidal or otherwise unjust sentiments in the name of God believe that the imprimatur of God makes their sentiments beyond reproach. But that's just the problem, isn't it? Anyone can hate in the name of God. Anyone can kill in the name of God. Anyone can justify bigotry and support oppression in the name of God. And many who consider themselves the apple of God's eye do.
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Postby Full Quiver » April 25th, 2009, 7:51 am

Tim, in recent history who has committed genocide? The Sudanese maybe? If the US were in the business of genocide then we would have successfully eliminated all the Iraqis and Muslims by now. I mean come on, how many Jews did Hitler wipe out in just a few years? we've had what, 6-7 years now in Iraq to get er done.
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Postby Tim Elston » April 25th, 2009, 8:01 am

Full Quiver wrote:Tim, in recent history who has committed genocide? The Sudanese maybe? If the US were in the business of genocide then we would have successfully eliminated all the Iraqis and Muslims by now. I mean come on, how many Jews did Hitler wipe out in just a few years? we've had what, 6-7 years now in Iraq to get er done.


You said that all Palestinians should be shot if they don't support Israel. I'm glad that you aren't either the U.S. president or the Israeli Prime Minister, but there are things about you that I like, and I'm okay enough with having you as my friend. One thing I like about you is that you are transparent. I don't have to wonder what you are thinking. I like that!
"And just when you think you've got me figured out, remember, No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it is not the same river and he is not the same man." --Heraclitus

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Postby MacUser » April 25th, 2009, 5:52 pm

Tim Elston wrote:You both harbor murder in your hearts, but murder is not the primary thing that defines you.


Tim, your rabbit hole goes deep my friend. You base your decisions on the radical when only normal is required to come to a proper understanding.

We all have the potential for evil. Some invite it in, study it and act on it and release that doom upon innocent others... and then some just have an irate moment of incorrect word usage. Amazingly you can rationalize that as equal somehow? Seriously dwell on this... as it might be your key to success in future endeavors.
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Postby Full Quiver » April 25th, 2009, 6:16 pm

Tim, in recent history who has committed genocide? The Sudanese maybe? If the US were in the business of genocide then we would have successfully eliminated all the Iraqis and Muslims by now. I mean come on, how many Jews did Hitler wipe out in just a few years? we've had what, 6-7 years now in Iraq to get er done.



Yes I basically said as much about the Palestians. Wonder why? Because they elected and support HAMAS who daily terrorizes the real innocent people of the region who happen to be Christian, Muslim, and Jewish citizens of Israel.
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