Pastors: Casting Out Devils

pastorables · Postby **pastorables** » June 12th, 2009, 8:34 pm

Pastors,

Would you mind sharing either here or in PM an account or accounts of your own personal experience with casting out devils? How did it compare or differ from biblical examples?

Thank you,
pa

pastorables · Postby **pastorables** » June 13th, 2009, 12:20 pm

Nothing?

beckrl · Postby **beckrl** » June 14th, 2009, 6:57 am

I also were wanting to know, but I see no replies. I do know in times past I heard more about Casting Out Devils, but as of late I'm hearing nothing as in this post indicates :wink:

Just a couple of day's ago I read this post about casting out a demon.
What you think?
http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/2009/06/1 ... stigation/

jinjer · Postby **jinjer** » June 14th, 2009, 9:59 am

Perhaps you shouldn't limit the requested replies from pastors. Just a thought.

Jinjer

paul · Postby **paul** » June 14th, 2009, 3:20 pm

pastorables wrote:Pastors,

Would you mind sharing either here or in PM an account or accounts of your own personal experience with casting out devils? How did it compare or differ from biblical examples?

Thank you,
pa

pa the following was posted April 29th in response to a similar question

Scooter, the following is the foundation that I stand upon when I approach someone that needs deliverance. Some may not agree with my position or theology, I have no problem with that. It is my position and I believe biblical. This is my approach and my confidence.

When God wanted to demonstrate beyond doubt to the heirs of his promise how trustworthy his purpose is, he guaranteed it by an oath. (1) So then through two things that cannot be changed — his promise and his oath — two things in God cannot possibly lie, we who flee to him for safety are strongly encouraged to grasp firmly the hope that stands before us. (He 6:17-18 )

(2) We have this boldness in Christ: if we ask anything according to his will, he will hear us! (I Jn5:14)

Galatians 3:2-5, where Paul describes two basic things we all need - indeed, in one way or another, these two benefits encompass everything you could truly want: (3)"the supply of the Spirit, and the working of miracles. " (vs. 5) You could hardly imagine any genuine need, or any promise of God, that is not comprehended in those two gracious gifts! Both blessings, says Paul, can be obtained in only one way: (4)by faith. No good work of yours, no law-keeping, no personal effort, can ever put God in debt to you to give you his Spirit or to work a miracle for you. Faith alone is the key to those heavenly benefits. But what better source of faith could there be than scripture mingled with prayer?

In the original creation, God gave men and women the right to exercise dominion and authority. (Gen 1:26-28 ). That authority was lost through the fall, but it has now been restored to us as God's new creation in Christ[2 Co 5:17: Lu 10:19) Can we now use this' restored authority to do whatever we like whenever we like? Hardly! (5)We actually have authority only to call into existence whatever God Himself has spoken to us. That is, spiritual authority must be channeled through the Word of God, and cannot be exercised outside the parameters formed by that word..

(6)The Word revealed through prayer prevents the believer from trying to use spiritual authority to do what God has not commanded, or to claim what God has not promised.

When I speak to the Demonic Spirit I tell it that is has no place nor right in the person. That it must leave, I do not argue with it nor give it any place. I tell it that it is trespassing, that according to the word The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.(psalm 24.1!) I tell it that there is a place that has been reserved for it and it is not the person they are now indwelling and that it/they must leave. No matter how load or how demonstrative it gets, I tell it that it has already been defeated by the cross and the blood of Jesus. It has to leave. Not in parts, but it must leave completely. And it cannot hide

In the situation in Pakistan the lady had been possessed by different incantations the wearing of charms that had been given her. These are real, even if we have problems here in the states believing so. After spending some time the lady tore off the charms from around her neck, cried out and the demonic Spirit left. After violently thrashing around during the process she went limp. Her countence changed and total peace came over her. Those around immediately felt the presence of God flood the area.

pastorables · Postby **pastorables** » June 14th, 2009, 6:22 pm

paul wrote: I tell it that it has already been defeated by the cross and the blood of Jesus. It has to leave. Not in parts, but it must leave completely.

I am preaching a five part series on Spiritual Warfare and was looking for illustrations, etc. I asked pastors due to my experience through the years, but anyone is welcome to share.

Paul, I find your above quote interesting as my grandmother used to tell of a service where a demon was cast out and the spirit exited, manifested as half of a cat, and ran through the church.

pa

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » June 15th, 2009, 1:07 am

pastorables wrote: my grandmother used to tell of a service where a demon was cast out and the spirit exited, manifested as half of a cat, and ran through the church.

pa

And we all know that WHAT MAMMA SAID trumps what the Bible says Every Time.

You CAN NOT demonstrate from scripture that a demon has the power to "manifest itself" in ANY physical shape.

So "WHAT MAMA SAID" has established a lens through which you view BIBLICAL TRUTH.

I wonder in your series: Will you choose to preach "WHAT MAMMA SAID" or will you admit that the Bible never claims such things?

rough_rider · Postby **rough_rider** » June 15th, 2009, 6:51 am

If Satan can transform himself as an angel of light, surely he could transform himself as a cat or even a serpent.

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » June 15th, 2009, 8:29 am

rough_rider wrote:If Satan can transform himself as an angel of light, surely he could transform himself as a cat or even a serpent.

That is unwarranted supposition bereft of any contextual reference with what the passage was talking about. If you read it without looking for a prooftext to base flimsy supposition upon you see that ANGEL in that passage is referring to the Messengers of the Gospel.

Using the same logic (and I know reason is SO difficult for some):
If satan can transform himself into an angel of light (with the reading YOU put into it),
then how do you know that the Risen Savior was not Satan goofing you with his "angel of light" trick?

I say it again: In Pentecostalism God can be defined as anything, a man, a mode, or even Jesus was not God.....BUT DONT YOU DARE ASSAIL the purported power of SATAN!!!!

What a gaumless society Pentecostalism has become: bereft of scriptural knowledge, elevating "mama said" tall tales through which scripture is molded, running after the shysters sibilant money talk and subjective tall tales, abandoning the very nature of God.

rough_rider · Postby **rough_rider** » June 15th, 2009, 11:05 am

that passage is referring to the Messengers of the Gospel.

Then that would mean he is able to take on human form then. :wink:

Get over yourself already, talking down to people gets you NO WHERE! Cause Mamma said so... :lol:

dolfan · Postby **dolfan** » June 15th, 2009, 11:17 am

Well, you went and made me look up gaumless. :lol:

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » June 15th, 2009, 11:19 am

rough_rider wrote:
that passage is referring to the Messengers of the Gospel.

Then that would mean he is able to take on human form then.

Get over yourself already, talking down to people gets you NO WHERE! Cause Mamma said so...

No matter how many insults you throw it only illustrates how Biblical-less your belief is. You'll believe idiocy because we've always equated tall tales with Bible.

dawgs10 · Postby **dawgs10** » June 15th, 2009, 11:38 am

so what people experience has no weight at all? if it happens to ya id tend to believe it.

rough_rider · Postby **rough_rider** » June 15th, 2009, 11:43 am

Gerald Creasy wrote:
rough_rider wrote:
that passage is referring to the Messengers of the Gospel.

Then that would mean he is able to take on human form then.

Get over yourself already, talking down to people gets you NO WHERE! Cause Mamma said so...

No matter how many insults you throw it only illustrates how Biblical-less your belief is. You'll believe idiocy because we've always equated tall tales with Bible.

Your the one, the ONLY one throwing insults... Again, please don't talk down to me. If you really feel the need to do so, please wait till you can do it in person. :wink:

Gerald Creasy · Postby **Gerald Creasy** » June 15th, 2009, 12:35 pm

rough_rider wrote: Your the one, the ONLY one throwing insults... Again, please don't talk down to me. If you really feel the need to do so, please wait till you can do it in person.

As an Osteen fan I would well imagine any challenge to you would be looked at as "talking down" after sucking up his idiotic pablum.

As for meeting......
Werent you available for a Jude 2 luncheon or dinner?
If so I have been available to you upon more than one occasion havent I?
Was it your own self worth that denied a meeting or your cowardice?

Jude 2