in your life? I keep reading the admonition to "always entertain strangers {show hospitality} because some are hosting angels, and aren't aware of it..."
Has this happened to you?
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There is a ROCK between me and a hard place. His name is JESUS.
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I fully Believe an angel came to my house to keep my kids safe untill I got home.
I went to see my sister at her house, the kids stayed home with their dad.
Lindsey was about 4 making Joseph about 1,
When I got home a few hours later I seen drinking Glasses on the back step. That told me something was not right.
When I went to unlock the door to go into my house, Jay would not let me in the house, he did not know who I was. After a few minutes I got into the house, Jay went to our room to bed,
Lindsey told me the lady took them into the house when daddy fell.
Lindsey told me the lady took them to the room and played games with them until I got home.
NO one came out of the house.
I had to take Jay to the hospital he had a seizure and he knew nothing of where he was who we were or anything.
I believe this lady was an angel who came to my house to keep my kids safe. At 4 and 1 it is hard telling what could have happened.
I went to see my sister at her house, the kids stayed home with their dad.
Lindsey was about 4 making Joseph about 1,
When I got home a few hours later I seen drinking Glasses on the back step. That told me something was not right.
When I went to unlock the door to go into my house, Jay would not let me in the house, he did not know who I was. After a few minutes I got into the house, Jay went to our room to bed,
Lindsey told me the lady took them into the house when daddy fell.
Lindsey told me the lady took them to the room and played games with them until I got home.
NO one came out of the house.
I had to take Jay to the hospital he had a seizure and he knew nothing of where he was who we were or anything.
I believe this lady was an angel who came to my house to keep my kids safe. At 4 and 1 it is hard telling what could have happened.
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I think it happens many times without our immediate knowledge of a visitation, thus "entertaining angels unaware".
My uncle picked up a hitchhiker once that he later believed could have been an angel. The man spoke to him about various life lessons and then asked to be dropped off on the highway. No specific proof of heavenly visitation, but thought provoking life event.
I have a minister friend who absolutely received a visitation from an angel at a CoGoP he pastored many years ago. Awesome testimony. I don't remember enough of the details to share with justice, but I believe it happened in FL.
My uncle picked up a hitchhiker once that he later believed could have been an angel. The man spoke to him about various life lessons and then asked to be dropped off on the highway. No specific proof of heavenly visitation, but thought provoking life event.
I have a minister friend who absolutely received a visitation from an angel at a CoGoP he pastored many years ago. Awesome testimony. I don't remember enough of the details to share with justice, but I believe it happened in FL.
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is it at all possible that these are images or videos of angels descending and ascending over Jerusalem?
is it at all possible that these are images or videos of angels descending and ascending over Jerusalem?
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Folks lets learn the scriptures. "Let brotherly love remain; of the hospitality be not forgetful, for through this unawares certain did entertain messengers;"YLT [even the new kings james version dosn't get the correct translation of ἄγγελος ]
Messengers: one that has a word from God. Just becasue God might have used a stranger or a person that doesn't look like a minister, he just might be. No need to impose any supernatural being here.
Messengers: one that has a word from God. Just becasue God might have used a stranger or a person that doesn't look like a minister, he just might be. No need to impose any supernatural being here.
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beckrl wrote:Folks lets learn the scriptures. "Let brotherly love remain; of the hospitality be not forgetful, for through this unawares certain did entertain messengers;"YLT [even the new kings james version dosn't get the correct translation of ἄγγελος ]
Messengers: one that has a word from God. Just becasue God might have used a stranger or a person that doesn't look like a minister, he just might be. No need to impose any supernatural being here.
Well, there's safety in the multitude of counselors and I've looked at around 20 transliterations which all interpret the text to be angels or heavenly visitors.
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So I surpose that 197 times it was a supernatural being and only 7 time it was a person that was a messenger?!!!
The writer was saying that they should show love to thy 'neighbor' even if he is a stranger in the land. That even he might be a messenger [one who is sent ] carrying the word of God. The writer continues with the subject of brotherly love and said to remember those in bonds [slaves, prison ] as thy self being bound [a slave or in prison ]and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering.
Here the writer is expressing love to a stranger, one in prison and one that is mistreated. There is no indication of Strong's G32 - ἄγγελος of being from heaven, but only a stranger in the land. Which more of an indication of being a messenger. It just that the translators had their own traditions and imputed them into the text. There was no reason to imput an supernatural being in that text as translating it as angel rather messenger.
For example another missed translation is found in 2 Peter 2:1-4. Peter said at the first that there was 'false prophets' among the people even shall be false teachers among you (v.1). He then said for God didn't spared those angels ~ messenger.
The same false prophets "messengers" that Peter said was in the old times among the peoples. (2 Peter 1:21 & 2:1) and not any supernatural angels.
The writer was saying that they should show love to thy 'neighbor' even if he is a stranger in the land. That even he might be a messenger [one who is sent ] carrying the word of God. The writer continues with the subject of brotherly love and said to remember those in bonds [slaves, prison ] as thy self being bound [a slave or in prison ]and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering.
Here the writer is expressing love to a stranger, one in prison and one that is mistreated. There is no indication of Strong's G32 - ἄγγελος of being from heaven, but only a stranger in the land. Which more of an indication of being a messenger. It just that the translators had their own traditions and imputed them into the text. There was no reason to imput an supernatural being in that text as translating it as angel rather messenger.
For example another missed translation is found in 2 Peter 2:1-4. Peter said at the first that there was 'false prophets' among the people even shall be false teachers among you (v.1). He then said for God didn't spared those angels ~ messenger.
The same false prophets "messengers" that Peter said was in the old times among the peoples. (2 Peter 1:21 & 2:1) and not any supernatural angels.
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beckrl wrote:It just that the translators had their own traditions and imputed them into the text. There was no reason to imput an supernatural being in that text as translating it as angel rather messenger.
Sigh, I digress.
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Speaking of angels
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/07/angel-crash-missouri/2630227/
Well..... Isn't this timely?
Well..... Isn't this timely?
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose."Jim Elliot - Missionary Martyr
The interpretation of the "messengers" as false teaches (rather than angelic beings) has support from 2 Peter:
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
4 For if God spared not the angels [messengers] that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
I highlighted the reference to Sodom and Gomorrha too because Jude used their destruction in his short epistle too. There are many connections between 2 Peter and Jude on this issue. What I'm saying in the cast of Hebrews is that angel should have been translated that of messenger given the connotation of one given to teach or prophesy rather than a supernatural being. That the stranger just might be a carrier of God's word a teacher or preacher. So love thy neighbor.
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
4 For if God spared not the angels [messengers] that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
I highlighted the reference to Sodom and Gomorrha too because Jude used their destruction in his short epistle too. There are many connections between 2 Peter and Jude on this issue. What I'm saying in the cast of Hebrews is that angel should have been translated that of messenger given the connotation of one given to teach or prophesy rather than a supernatural being. That the stranger just might be a carrier of God's word a teacher or preacher. So love thy neighbor.
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