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Postby dolfan » September 10th, 2009, 9:54 am

And, the State of the Union is constitutionally required! (Although it can be done in writing instead of a speech). To boo a president who is constitutionally compelled to address you on the state of the union is acceptable, but to "heckle" a president who hatched up a joint address at an opportune moment to pull his tail out of a crack and put it in prime time to give it an aura of American importance (even David Gergen wasn't convinced it'd mean much and he salivates when anyone mentions Obama)? No, if you do that, you're rude and should be censured. My eye!
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Postby Full Quiver » September 10th, 2009, 10:48 am

Congress's own internal attorneys say HR3200 covers illegals. Also the Congressional Budget Office says it will cost far more than Obama says.

2 years ago Obama said it was immoral to raise the debt ceiling and have our children's future taken away. Today he wants the debt ceiling raised. :evil:
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Postby Dr. Ron » September 10th, 2009, 11:03 am

Paully....you weren't in some of the GA's I have been to .....and especially some of the state convos.
I was yelled at as a state overseer. You have had a sheltered existance my boy....

If you are a student of American history, you will see quite often and very loud yelling reported....and if you think that was bad last night....heaven help us if we ever get a Parliment.....wow...that would have been a trip last night...

This president has lost his presidency. He should spend the next 3 years riding around on AF1 ....limos and such...and talking.....it's all he is good at.

His skills as a leader have come to the fore....and God help us.
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Postby Pastor Gary » September 10th, 2009, 11:20 am

Full Quiver wrote:Congress's own internal attorneys say HR3200 covers illegals.


Hey, can you post a link to that?
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Postby Paully_44 » September 10th, 2009, 12:19 pm

Dr. Ron wrote:Paully.... You have had a sheltered existance my boy....


Cant argue that one.
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Postby ImaPK » September 11th, 2009, 4:07 pm

Hey Paully, ever been to a VA Hospital? That's Government run "health care" and if you've followed the news in recent weeks you should know that the VA is so screwed up that I won't even go there and I'm a Vet. If you want an idea of what this "health care" plan will be like I have two words for you.....GOVERNMENT HOUSING.
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Postby stevenson » September 12th, 2009, 2:22 am

I'm glad that somebody finally called Obama what he is. I just wish he wouldn't have apologized. Then they would investagate Wilson and he could defend his remarks and everyone would know that Obama lied!
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Postby dolfan » September 14th, 2009, 4:15 am

Pastor Gary wrote:
Full Quiver wrote:Congress's own internal attorneys say HR3200 covers illegals.


Hey, can you post a link to that?


I don't know about attorneys, but the Congressional Research Service says it probably will.

This statement in the report "Treatment of Noncitizens in HR 3200", from the CRS:
H.R. 3200 includes an individual mandate to have health insurance, with tax penalties for noncompliance. Individuals who do not maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for themselves and their children would be required to pay an additional tax. Some individuals, including nonresident aliens, would be exempt from the individual mandate. fiNonresident alienfl is a term under tax but not immigration law. For federal tax purposes, alien individuals are classified as resident or nonresident aliens. In general, an individual is a nonresident alien unless he or she meets the qualifications under a residency test. Thus, legal permanent residents, and noncitizens and unauthorized aliens who qualify as resident aliens (i.e., meet the substantial presence test), would be required under H.R. 3200 to have health insurance. In addition, under H.R. 3200, a fiHealth Insurance Exchangefl would begin operation in 2013 and would offer private plans alongside a public option. The Exchange would provide eligible individuals and small businesses with access to insurers™ plans, including the public option, in a comparable way. Individuals would only be eligible to enroll in an Exchange plan if they were not enrolled in other acceptable coverage (for example, from an employer, Medicare and generally Medicaid). H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens participating in the ExchangeŠwhether the noncitizens are legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently. Nonetheless, only aliens who could be classified as resident aliens would be required under the bill to have health insurance.


Link here

Upshot: Illegal aliens can get coverage funded by the government in the public option and/or subsidies to buy private insurance.
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Postby dawgs10 » September 14th, 2009, 5:34 am

it was very rude. When did the world lose respect for the position, the title, the office. there is a outbreak of disrespect in this country dem or repub. respect the office. its like our parents didnt teach manners to anyone.

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Postby Shellie » September 14th, 2009, 6:12 am

When did the world lose respect for the position, the title, the office. there is a outbreak of disrespect in this country


The country already disrespected the position, the title, and the office by simply electing Obama.
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Postby Dr. Ron » September 14th, 2009, 7:29 am

As for respect ......Bill Clinton pretty much took care of that issue....

He disrespected the office....literally....\

Respect is earned ......While I would respect him as a human I do not respect him as a president.....not as a christian..., not as an american....So how on earth would I be able to respect him as President?

This has nothing to do with "respect" He got called out by one of his "peers" GWB was boooed loudly in those same chambers.

Obama didn't respect the combined house and senate by calling that stupid meeting anyway....that is reserved for times of national emergency and for state of the union address.

No...Joe didn't do anything to apologize for. He called out a lie, that even the
dems agreed was a lie.....President's are not supposed to lie.

But I have to be careful or be called a racist.
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Postby dolfan » September 14th, 2009, 11:25 am

Dawgs, this is war. There is no shirking from it or disguising this as something civil. There is an all out attack on American constitutionalism, limited government, and individual liberty. Everything that Obama has done has been a deliberate, strategic, pre-planned, premeditated and purposeful effort to dismantle America as it was founded. Not that it wasn't already in grave disrepair; it was. Not that Obama started that fire; he didn't. But, he accelerated it like no other president has done.

The President of the United States is not a sacred man in a sacred post; the presidency is and should be imminently reachable by the common citizen. The office is one that is accountable to the people, not one that should be elevated to the point of no one challenging the president and not to the point of elevating decorum over the substance of this critical, even existential threat.

No, sir. The time for niceties has passed. This is a war, indeed. Watch what happens on the left now if you have any doubts.
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Postby MacUser » September 14th, 2009, 5:46 pm

Well said Dolfan and Dr. Ron.

Well said.
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Postby dawgs10 » September 15th, 2009, 3:53 pm

dolfan wrote:Dawgs, this is war. There is no shirking from it or disguising this as something civil. There is an all out attack on American constitutionalism, limited government, and individual liberty. Everything that Obama has done has been a deliberate, strategic, pre-planned, premeditated and purposeful effort to dismantle America as it was founded. Not that it wasn't already in grave disrepair; it was. Not that Obama started that fire; he didn't. But, he accelerated it like no other president has done.

The President of the United States is not a sacred man in a sacred post; the presidency is and should be imminently reachable by the common citizen. The office is one that is accountable to the people, not one that should be elevated to the point of no one challenging the president and not to the point of elevating decorum over the substance of this critical, even existential threat.

No, sir. The time for niceties has passed. This is a war, indeed. Watch what happens on the left now if you have any doubts.




bush did not respect those he served and he sure wasnt reachable by the common man. bush was not held accountable for spending so much money and killing thousands of American men and women in Iraq when the majority was not for the war. bush was not accountable when he gave billions to the MAN in the beginning bail outs. but when people said something about him they were called cowards and unpatriotic. sorry if you want that office to be accountable to the common people it stoped with gwb. people have lost their minds if they think that given people health care and making corp america provide health care for thier workers that are doing the work that is putting money in corp americas pockets in which most do not pay tithes to the God that placed them in that position. ive watched the hard right act insane and the far left act insane and its time for the common middle to take it all back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the country will not be ran by either and survive. we must look to a person and a new group to make the upper miniorty treat the middle majority correctly. working three part time jobs and not having health care is not right in america. almost every other major country in this world provides health care for their people. greed keeps someone making 2-3 million a year for their selves while they run companies with most of their employees lacking health care while working 30 hours a week. (its only greed) so put some more money in your pockets while people die for the lack of health care.

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Postby pastorables » September 15th, 2009, 4:45 pm

dawgs10 wrote: working three part time jobs and not having health care is not right in america. almost every other major country in this world provides health care for their people. greed keeps someone making 2-3 million a year for their selves while they run companies with most of their employees lacking health care while working 30 hours a week. (its only greed) so put some more money in your pockets while people die for the lack of health care.


Are you saying that you support the "socialist healthcare plan"?

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