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Michael wrote:Does "sad" mean "wrong" or does it mean "true" but not a fun place to be at?
...I believe a lot of people do a lot of things for a cause and what they believe are noble causes. I believe that most people in this latest war with Iraq think the cause is a noble one. And I believe that good will come out of it. I'm just not so naive to believe that the underlying motives of the few in charge are as noble as the ones doing the actual grunt work.
Coming from where your mind is at, what else could you believe?
Get beyond the facade of the mainstream media and you might think differently.
You do live in my world, Gary. You just refuse to accept it for what it is.
Since you live near Pearl Harbor and the memorial practically stares you in the face, I suggest that you read the book Day of Deceit to see if the attack on Pearl Harbor was really a surprise attack as we've always been told. The book is not someone's theory; it is the piecing together of documents procured through Freedom of Information Act requests from the government and proves conclusively that the attack "... was the result of a carefully orchestrated design, initiated at the highest levels of our government."
...perhaps you are like most people who like to live in the world of "ignorance is bliss?"
Gerald Creasy wrote:(Anyone remember Carters Official somethingoranother James Watts who said we should go and drill extensively in Alaska because Jesus was coming back and we ought to use our resources while we could?)
Michael wrote:Quite honestly, I think I'm pretty level headed but with a rather intense energy level that is put into anything I put my mind to do and/or study.
So instead, you believe the President expended all his political capital, risked his re-election, callously sent young men and women into harm's way knowing many would be returned in body bags, risked riots in the streets, stirred up the anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-Bush ragtag leftists --- for some kind of profit motive?
I don't know President Bush's motives. For all I know, he is as sincere as he shows himself to be. It is you who says I believe this and that about the president. I never said such.
Michael wrote:
I'd be interested in reading about your lobbying efforts and experiences. Were they state and/or federal?
Michael wrote:I certainly have questioned my views and the sources for those views and have revised several such views over the years. At times I look at my wife and she looks at me and we ask: "Why are we so different?" I claim the Kinks song "I'm Not Like Everybody Else" as my anthem.
[/quote]But you do not have the necessary perspective to decide that for yourself anymore than anybody else does.
Then who does?
[/quote]Frankly, you have managed to study your way into some of the most extreme positions possible on pretty much everything I have ever seen you post on.
Extreme being defined as?
Examples? You don't pay taxes;
I pay plenty of taxes: Property taxes, gun and ammo taxes, car registration taxes, alcohol taxes (just a beer every now and then), rooms and meals taxes, gasoline taxes, dog licensing tax, drivers license tax, telephone taxes, natural gas taxes, electricity taxes, etc.
No, I don't pay federal income taxes for there is no law and/or regulation requiring me to pay such a tax in my present status as an Amercian citizen living and working in one of the 50 United States.
you don't attend an organized church;
It's been a while, yes. Is that something that should be held against me?
You will only read the King James translation because all the others are corrupted with New Age philosophies;
I don't necessarily buy that argument anymore. Riplinger influenced my thinking at one time but presently I would not use that argument in defense of the KJV.
You refuse to listen to any sort of Christian "rock" music because it is corrupted;
I don't care for Christian rock, no. It does nothing for me spiritually. I'd rather sing praises to the Lord in unsyncopated, non-amplified music, but I wouldn't debate the issue as before. It is a preference of mine, not a doctrinal absolute.
The only thing I would point out is that scientific studies prove that rock, at least the real hard stuff, is not healthy for plants and/or humans while baroque classical is.
Feel free to interpret such data as you please.
I take it to mean that I'm probably better off listening to classical music than I am rock n roll, Christian or not. But I have my rockin favorites on the computer that I let loose on every now and then depending on my mood. Like my daughter, who is a piano performance major says: "Music has a lot to do with mood, Papa."
and now you are saying that there is a secret reason why the war is on, and that the media is decieved and/or deliberately decieving pretty much everybody but you and those who know what you know.
[/quote]I believe the underlying reason(s) for the war with Iraq goes a lot deeper than what we are being told, yes.
I believe there is a conspiracy by certain elite to take over the world and usher in the anti-Christ.
I believe that Sadaam is an obstacle to that plan, that he is no longer playing by the rules of those who are running the show (or at least they think they are running the show; God is allowing them to carry out their plans so is in charge) and that he (Sadaam) must be removed.
The anti-Christ is not just going to pop in and say "Here I am! Take the mark!" without a lot of groundwork being done in advance by those whom the spirit of lawlessness controls.
If I forgot anything, go ahead and post it to remind me. Forgive me for saying so, but it's hard to put much trust into the statements of a person who goes so far out on so many things.
But I would say that what you consider to be far out may be due to a lack of research on your part and I say that with no malice.
Just to take the federal income tax issue, for example: Tell me, do you pay them because you actually have read the law that requires you to pay them or do you pay them because that's just the way everyone else you know does it?
Well, what do you believe? Are you saying that the President of the United States is the pawn of some cabal of national and/or international authority figures that sets people like him up and pulls them down according to their onw designs?
Yes, insomuch that God allows them to carry out their plans.
Whether the President himself is consciously aware of these things is between him and God. His father was the first president to tout the phrase "New World Order" during the first gulf war.
I don't know if they consciously are for giving up the United States' national sovereignity, but their actions certainly show that they don't seem to care anything about the bill of rights and the protections it offers American citizens.
Hopefully I've answered your question.
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